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A Few Comments About David Myatt

David Myatt (1994)

A Few Comments About David Myatt

“Myatt has undertaken a global odyssey which took him on extended stays in the Middle East and East Asia, accompanied by studies of religions ranging from Christianity to Islam in the Western tradition and Taoism and Buddhism in the Eastern path. In the course of this Siddhartha-like search for truth, Myatt sampled the life of the monastery in both its Christian and Buddhist forms. Professor Jeffrey Kaplan


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The more you read about [Myatt], the less you’ll be sure of, the more interesting he’ll become…. You’ll see why its relevant during your research. He’s something of an inspiration for me, although I was unaware of his work before I began mine.

A hint that will help you understand: his work with the order of nine angles is closer to the core than his work as a Muslim fundamentalist or a Nazi, but it is not the core. Look beyond, beyond the forms he uses. Look to how he manipulates those forms in order to achieve different ends.

He’s not a Satanist or a Nazi or a Muslim, essentially. Those are forms which he has, very effectively, manipulated to the extent that his individual agenda (wyrd) has become a permanent and self-propagating aspect of those subcultures. Modern national socialism and modern occultism, for example, have both been deeply influenced. Those may seem like backwaters– but they’re significant subcultures which have the power to affect society by their relationship to it, the degree to which they are in antipathy with other subcultures, and the way in which they attract and alter a certain kind of individual who is hugely influential upon society (the ”shaman”, the true priest, the poet). By altering those forms, he essentially alters the subtle structure of all society. Also consider that subcultures such as occultism significantly affect more mainstream media (because creators of such are often drawn to them in youth etc), and that by permanently influencing the nature of such a subculture, the media which determines the psychophysiological environment of all society can be altered.

The forms are not the message. Satanism is not the message. Nazism is not the message. Islam is not the message. They are manipulated to become vessels for Myatt’s agenda (the stars?). Believe me, you will find curious research on this fascinating. Comment on enfpforum (Internet)

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Myatt may seem to have flitted from one politico-religious philosophy to another, but there is a terrible thread of continuity and rigour through his life and writings that suggests he is much more than a disingenuous provocateur. Naziism and Islamicism have served, in turn, as modalities of disruption for what remains at core an occult working to sow general chaos and division – the necessary passage of “Helter Skelter” to break down the Old Order, before the founding of the New. Whose interests are served by there being a David Myatt? Is he is own man – or men – or does he belong to someone else? Or is it something else – an intelligence service perhaps, or something, say, acausal? Jeff Wells: Nine Angles of Separation

“There was something unsettling about the man. Rumours seemed to hang around him like circling vultures…” Nick Ryan

“Myatt is an ethereal character. He is a dangerous man… Beneath [his] seemingly innocuous exterior is a man of extreme and calculated hatred” Gerry Gable (Searchlight)

Le leader charismatique du mouvement néo-nazi anglais, David Myatt, devenu Abdul Aziz Ibn Myatt, appelle les nostalgiques de l’Axe et tous les ennemis des sionistes à embrasser comme lui le Djihad, la « vraie religion martiale » celle qui lutte le plus efficacement contre les Juifs et les Américains… Expert en arts martiaux et en actions commando, Myatt est l’auteur de plusieurs manuels de terrorisme… Alexandre Del Valle

David is in ways like a modern day fairy tale himself (not only his life), but with more heart and less talking animals. It’s hard not to be fascinated, to some extent inspired or at least affected in some way. Perhaps not always to the better. He’s simply one of those men (as in mankind..) that stands out from the rest. Dan, DMOR Crew, Sweden

David Myatt – Nazi Satanist or Military intelligence?  Is David Myatt one of many ultra patriotic stooges creating politically useful armies for the global terror network? Anon Internet Comment

[Myatt] is mentally unbalanced, formally a Christian, Buddist.. now a Mudslum! lt people like him who will forever divorce the rest of us from the masses… Anon Internet Comment

Lavey was a manipulator no doubt, and he did move many away from Christianity, but the darkness is lacking, Lavey himself can top Myatt in no way from what I read of them both. Lets see – circus trainer, photographer, and producer of a BS satanic group, vs the creator of the Sevenfold path, star-game, political evil genius, man of many roles and faces, who continues to this day to push the evolutionary limits and tread unknown territory. Lavey fooled no one, he was easy to read, showed his cards, and is know for what he was. Myatt still has the bored trying to figure out who he was, and probably will for some time.” (From a debate comparing La Vey and Myatt.) Anon Internet Comment


I genuinely like Myatt. I see him in the same mold as Manson: a prophet of the Kali Yuga; a nihilistic visionary — but with a grander vision than Manson’s, and far more ruthless, fanatical and determined to see it come to fruition… Anon Internet Comment


Here we have an ex-satanist (some say probably not so ‘ex’), ex-buddhist, ex-national socialist, now claiming he’s a muslim and yet arguing for the exact same thing as he’s always argued for – destruction to bring about his ‘folk culture’ ideology where people live in primitive agrarian pseudo communities defined solely by their “race”. The only thing that has ever changed with David is the packaging. A MOAC [Myatt Obsessed Anonymous Coward] Mark 1


It must be remembered that David Myatt has openly denied the Holocaust and endorsed the slaughter of civilians using suicide bombs. Both of these actions are highly illegal in most countries and it is in the public interest that Myatt be jailed.  MOAC, Mark 2


Some people think that Myatt is a nasty weirdo, but he is ineffectual and weak with no influence. MOAC, Mark 3


Myatt as spent a life time wallowing amongst filth. NF, BNP, Combat 18, National Socialist Movement, Reichsfolk, ONA, Jihadist filth. MOAC, Mark 4

David Myatt – Gnostic activist and thinker, poet, classicist, philosopher, metaphysician and ‘Gentleman of the Road’ amongst many other things – one of the best image of a true Gnostic available in our dismal time. An a-typical National Socialist, he is also a-typical in all his spiritual pursuits. He is nothing less than a true Gnostic, struggling for nobility, Knowledge and Liberation in a three dimensional world. A National Socialist ‘Jonathan Livingston Seagull,’ he soars and laughs from above at their attempts to interpret his words and actions by attempting to contain them within labels and doctrines. Holger Werner

The final conclusion as to Myatt’s intentions and nature, at this moment in time, can only realistically be that each one of us will have to draw our own conclusions based on what little we know and – more interestingly – on what we assume or believe. Our conclusion may say more about us, and our society, than it might say about Myatt himself. Julie Wright


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The above comments about David Myatt, dating between 1998 and 2010, are taken from a variety of sources, including published books, articles printed in magazines and newspapers, and items posted on the Internet.


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Perspicacious Comment About Myatt

 

David Myatt 1995 CE

David Myatt 1995 CE

Perspicacious Comment About David Myatt

Given below is a comment about David Myatt, recently posted on an Internet forum by a user named Silvertongue.

The forum in question is for ENFP types – that’s those who identify with a particular Jungian personality type, based on the Myers-Briggs Type Indicator. Thus, as you might imagine, this is not your typical dumb-ass Internet forum.

This comment is one of the most illuminating – one of the most perspicacious – I’ve come across concerning David Myatt, exposing as it does (IMO) the real Myatt and his real aims: which are, first, to develop a new species of human beings (Homo Galacticus), not be eugenics or anything so passée, but by having individuals accept and overcome physical, psychic, intellectual, and social, challenges (pathei-mathos), and, second, the exploration and colonization of the stars, which of itself, in his view will, aid and produce this new species. Myatt has devoted his whole adult life to these objectives – to Vindex, and the emergence of a Galactic Imperium.

” I think you would really get a lot out of… investigating ”David Myatt” and ”Anton Long” (they’re the same person, despite their denials of this). Don’t stop when you see that he’s a Nazi or Muslim fundamentalist or a Satanist or a whatever else… go beyond media reports etc. to the sites actually dedicated to working out what he’s truly about. One of the most interesting characters of our century or any other.

The more you read about him, the less you’ll be sure of, the more interesting he’ll become….

You’ll see why its relevant during your research. He’s something of an inspiration for me, although I was unaware of his work before I began mine. I have to admit that he’s more skilled than I am (although, when I’m really trying, I’m a better writer. The deofel quintet is truly awful).

A hint that will help you understand: his work with the order of nine angles is closer to the core than his work as a Muslim fundamentalist or a Nazi, but it is not the core. Look beyond, beyond the forms he uses. Look to how he manipulates those forms in order to achieve different ends.

He’s not a Satanist or a Nazi or a Muslim, essentially. Those are forms which he has, very effectively, manipulated to the extent that his individual agenda (wyrd) has become a permanent and self-propagating aspect of those subcultures. Modern national socialism and modern occultism, for example, have both been deeply influenced. Those may seem like backwaters– but they’re significant subcultures which have the power to affect society by their relationship to it, the degree to which they are in antipathy with other subcultures, and the way in which they attract and alter a certain kind of individual who is hugely influential upon society (the ”shaman”, the true priest, the poet).

By altering those forms, he essentially alters the subtle structure of all society. Also consider that subcultures such as occultism significantly affect more mainstream media (because creators of such are often drawn to them in youth etc), and that by permanently influencing the nature of such a subculture, the media which determines the psychophysiological environment of all society can be altered.

The forms are not the message. Satanism is not the message. Nazism is not the message. Islam is not the message. They are manipulated to become vessels for Myatt’s agenda (the stars?). Believe me, you will find curious research on this fascinating.”

http://www.enfpforum.com/Home/tabid/55/afv/topic/aff/8/aft/59/afpg/2/Default.aspx

Personally, I agree with the comment above about the Deofel Quintet – for it’s not great writing, and not in the same league as newer fiction such as Eulalia, Dark Daughter of Baphomet, and In The Sky of Dreaming.

But I guess the Deofel Quintet served a useful function in it’s now gone day – which was being read aloud to a small group of Occult initiates, in an intimate candle-lit setting. You no doubt can imagine the clichéd scene – ” It was a dark and stormy night, but inside the Satanic temple it was warm with a roaring log fire…”

Or something such as  – ” Are you sitting comfortably, children? Then I’ll begin. Once upon a time….”

Lianna of Thee Darky Sox
122 yf

P.S. Read more about Myatt and Vindex at Myatt and the Quest for Vindex.

P.P.S. (For the MOAC) – I was gonna use the spelling develope to yank your chain, but thought this comment would be even more fun.


Lies of a MOAC

Lies of a MOAC
Allegations and Lies About David Myatt Exposed

Background

Over the past two decades a number of individuals have developed a hatred of and an obsession with David Myatt to the extent that they have persistently spread rumors about him and made various accusations against him.

One such individual was a young Zionist who deigned to call himself, among others things, Omnipitus, and who literally spent years trying to defame Myatt. One of his many allegations was that Myatt never really converted to Islam, and was still a neo-nazi. The nemesis of this Zionist came when, in August of 2006, he decided to post his accusations about Myatt on the Islamic Awakening forum –

http://forums.islamicawakening.com/f20/omnipitus2006s-obsession-ibn-myatt-1838/

This led to a somewhat spirited debate with various Muslims, and with contributions from Myatt himself. In respect of the accusation that Myatt wasn’t a real Muslim, the most succinct reply, from a Muslim, was the following:

” ibn myatt is a MUSLIM and omnipitus2006 is a KAAFIR. That much is evident!”

Faced with such replies, the Zionist ran away, never to be heard from again. Perhaps this had something to do with some Muslims – enraged by some comments the Zionist made about Islam, and the Prophet, Muhammad – tracking him down to his home in Canada.

Another such Myatt hating individual was Gerry Gable, who (and without any evidence) in the 1980′s informed on Myatt to the Police, fingering him for a murder. Gable then, in the 1990′s – with his influential friend Micheal Whine – made a complaint about Myatt to the Metropolitan Police, alleging, among other things, that Myatt had incited murder. On both occasions, Myatt was interviewed by British Detectives, and on the latter occasion, was arrested and became the subject of an international investigation, lasting three years, involving the FBI, Interpol, and the Canadian Police. On both occasions, the matter was dropped because there was no evidence, just malicious allegations.

Gable also published, in a magazine he owned, many articles about Myatt in which he made various allegations about Myatt (such as Myatt was a Satanist) without ever once providing any evidence. In addition, for some years following Myatt’s conversion to Islam, Gable told anyone who would listen that in his opinion Myatt’s conversion was fake and Myatt was still a neo-nazi and also a Satanist.

However, in fairness, it should be stated that Gable has – since 2003 – made no comments about Myatt, and seems to have finally accepted that Myatt’s conversion to Islam was genuine.

Another such Myatt hating individual was, and is, Tom Raspotnik (aka the Rev Nev Blackwood) who grandiloquently described himself as the “the world leader of theistic Satanism”. Raspotnik also spent years ranting about Myatt, and even went so far as to offer a USD $10,000 reward for information regarding Myatt’s whereabouts. In addition, he claimed – for several years – to have a letter from Myatt, the publication of which, he asserted, would “destroy Myatt’s credibility”. Yet, despite being repeatedly asked, he has never dared to published this fictitious letter.

However, since the on-line publication of Raspotnik’s home address by some Satanists Raspotnik had publicly insulted, Raspotnik seems, for the moment at least, to have lost interest in Myatt, although it appears that he recently (October 2010 CE) offered another USD $10,000 reward for information regarding the whereabouts of another Myatt-hating stalker (the MOAC – see below) whom he seemed eager to contact and join forces with, perhaps to form some sort of world-wide anti-Myatt pinky alliance.

Another Myatt hating individual was, and is, the anonymous stalker nicknamed the MOAC – the Myatt Obsessed Anonymous Coward – who has spent the last three years anonymously posting literally hundreds of rabid rants about Myatt on diverse Internet forums and message boards, setting up dozens of anti-Myatt blogs, and repeating various malicious allegations about Myatt.

Some MOAC posts are archived at –

http://madmagemyatt.wordpress.com/myatt-stalker-archive/


MOAC Lies and Allegations

Since this MOAC, using a variety of usernames, re-posts his accusations every couple of months – even though all his accusations have been disproved, many times – it seems apposite to collect here the various allegations and lies, and their rebuttals, of this particular MOAC, and which collection of lies and their exposure can serve as a useful archive for future reference.

What is of especial interest about the MOAC is that he has never dared – despite being repeatedly asked – to make his accusations on the Islamic Awakening forum, where his accusations would face serious scrutiny from Muslims and even from Myatt himself. Instead, the MOAC prefers to make anonymous posts on various Internet forums, making the same accusations month after month, and year after year.

MOAC Lie – David Myatt is not and never has been a Muslim

Response: This is just your own untenable and biased person opinion, which you never ever dare post on the Islamic Awakening forum where Myatt is a member and where Myatt’s Muslim friends can tell you what they think of your opinion.

Why have you never dared to voice this view of yours on the IA forum? Because you know your view will be exposed for the lie it is.

For Myatt is accepted as a Muslim by Muslims – and also by well known people such as Professor Robert S. Wistrich (one of the world’s leading authorities on anti-Semitism) and by writers such as Martin Amis.

Furthermore, Myatt issued, over ten years ago, a copy of his Testimony of Faith in Islam, signed by two respectable Muslim witnesses from his local Mosque, and verified by the Islamic Foundation.

So, your claim is quite laughable… Especially given the following reply on the IA forum to a similar allegations made some years ago now: “ibn myatt is a MUSLIM and omnipitus2006 is a KAAFIR. That much is evident!”

MOAC Lie – David Myatt ‘Anton Long’ Is A Police Informer

Response: And your evidence for this malicious anonymous allegation is what – exactly?

You have no evidence. You never post any evidence – you just make malicious accusations, which you repeat time after time (the despicable cowardly Magian Big Lie Technique) in the hope that the sheeple, or some sheeple, will believe such accusations.

It is interesting that you’ve never, in over three years of posting rants about Myatt, answered the following simple question – Is or was Myatt a covert MI5 operative – yes, or no?

Why have you never answered this simple question?

MOAC Lie – David Myatt is a confirmed Satanist

Response: And your evidence for this malicious anonymous allegation is what – exactly?

Again, you have no evidence. Only hearsay, rumor, and a desire to believe such things. There is no actual evidence that Myatt is, or was, a Satanist. No one has ever produced any such evidence, in over three decades.

No, wait – you previously stated you have statements made by two University students – students, note, not academics – who wrote essays in which they repeated such hearsay and rumors.

No, wait – you also have statements made by a few others who state that, in their personal opinion, Myatt is a Satanist. Great stuff – keep it going, for even if you have a million such personal statements, they would be irrelevant. That you cannot comprehend this simple fact, reveals your mundane character and your personal prejudice.

No, wait – you also claimed that because Myatt’s name appeared as co-author on a few books published in the 1980’s by some obscure publisher (who produced only around a dozen copies anyways of said books) it must mean that he’s a Satanist, even though you have no proof that the publisher did not use his name in vain.

It seems you also somehow forgot that Myatt, in the 1980’s and for a few years, ran a honey-trap operation, based on an Occult group, for the purposes of “infiltrating certain individuals into various positions in society”, and of “obtaining confidential information”, and for other nefarious spooky purposes. Given that Myatt was trained – as a member of Column 88 – in subversion, infiltration, assassination, sabotage, and other such stuff, and given that Column 88 was part of NATO’s clandestine Gladio stay-behind network, this gives a rather different “spin” on such limited Occult involvement in the 80’s, and leads us to ask (yet again) the question you have never answered, which question is: Do you believe that David Myatt is, or was, a covert MI5 operative, Yes, or No?

Why have you never – in your hundreds of posts or on any of our dozen or so blogs – answered this one simple question about Myatt?

MOAC Lie – This thread has caused David Myatt a considerable amount of embarrassment.

Response: Au contraire! All your Myatt posts serve only to do three things. (1) Create more interest in the life and works of David Myatt. (2) Create more interest in the Order of Nine Angles, and add to the sinister mystique of the ONA. (3) Reveal you for the obsessive, and disturbed, Myatt-hater that you are.

Do you seriously believe that Myatt – “the staunch advocate of Jihad, suicide missions, killing Jews, and an ardent defender of bin Laden” – is bothered by what one dirty kaffir says or writes? Or even what a hundred or a thousand dirty kuffar say or write? If you do believe he’s bothered, then you are even more deluded than I give you credit for. I imagine that Myatt just laughs, and says something like the following Al-Qaeda du’a:

اللهُمَّ أَحْصِهِمْ عَدَداً، وَاقْتُلْهُمْ بَدَداً، وَلا تُغَادِرْ مِنْهُمْ أَحَداً، وَاجْعَلْهُمْ

عِبْرَةً لأَمْثَالِهِمْ مِنَ اليَهُودِ وَالنَّصَارى وَالمُشْرِكِينَ، أَذِلَّةً صَاغِرِينَ


MOAC Lie
– Anton Long, has hacked BBC Ouch Forum accounts and is stealing data from disabled people. He then arranges for the victims to be attacked by local yobs.

Response: And your evidence for Anton Long hacking such forum is what – exactly? You have never ever given any evidence at all. You just make malicious accusations, which you repeat time after time (the despicable cowardly Magian Big Lie Technique) in the hope that the sheeple, or some sheeple (aka mundanes), will believe such accusations.

And your evidence for Anton Long (or anyone) stealing data is what – exactly? Yet again, you have never ever give any evidence at all. You just blandly make the allegation. Anonymously, of course.

MOAC Lie – BN Village is a fake Afro-Caribbean message board, used for ID theft. Set up / hi-jacked, by Neo – Nazi, David Myatt

Response: And your evidence for such accusations is what – exactly? Yet again, you have never ever given any evidence at all.

We are just supposed to “take your word” for it, I guess 🙂

MOAC Lie – Black British Forums ( blackpresence ) is another phony message board run by neo-Nazi Anton Long for the purposes of data theft

Response: And your evidence for such accusations is what – exactly? Yet again, you have never ever given any evidence at all.

If we are to believe your many similar accusations, Anton Long is master computer cracker (note: it’s, correctly, cracker, not “hacker”) – who surely should be accorded celebritycracker status.

Since you’ve also claimed “he’s hacked your computer”, we have to wonder why he hasn’t sent “local yobs” (or neo-nazi thugs) after you and “intimated you” or otherwise dealt with you (and here, culling comes to mind), which he would surely do were he as vicious and evil as you claim and were he to have, as you claim, bands of local yobs at his beck and call. Or could it be – could it just be – that your claims are just fantasy?

Even if he hadn’t – yet – cracked your computer – if he was as skilled in computer cracking as you claim then he would surely, by now, after all these years have tracked you down…

But perhaps he does, after all, know who you are and where you are and is just playing games with you since you, by your obession with him, create more interest in him and his works and thus are useful propaganda, a useful mundane (or kaffir) who currently serves his fiendish plan.

MOAC Lie – Do not click on any of “Raffy’s” links. They all lead to sites used for I.D. theft. I’ve had my computer attacked frequently when browsing the ‘David Myatt’ hate sites

Response:
(1) Yet again, you give no evidence at all for such ID theft. How did you know it was ID theft? Did you have some anti-virus/anti-hacking software installed? if so, what? Give excerpts from your logs. Give the URL’s of the links you claim led to such theft. And so on. You never give any details – which leads us to believe it’s just another of your malicious, anonymous, allegations.

(2) What are the URL’s of these so-called “hate sites”?  Why are they “hate sites”? Given examples of why they are “hate-sites”. You never ever give such details – which leads us to believe these are just more of your malicious, anonymous, allegations.

(3) Why have you never reported these alleged ID theft’s to the Police? Is it because they’re all in your mind?



MOAC Lie – The ‘ David Myatt ‘ hate-site has clearly demonstrated its involvement in the Kerri Delacruz assault.

Response:
(1) What is the URL of this so-called hate-site? You never give a URL. Why not?

(2) Why is this unknown site a “hate site”? Given examples of why it is a “hate-site”. You never ever give such details – which leads us to believe these are just more of your malicious, anonymous, allegations.

(3) What is the evidence linking this so-called (unknown) hate-site to Kerri Delacruz? You have never given any link – no evidence at at all.

(4) Why have you not reported your allegations to the Police? Which leads us to believe these are just more of your malicious, anonymous, allegations.

(5) You once, years ago, claimed that you had reported your suspicions about the Kerri Delacruz assault to the Police. You were then asked for a PIN (Police Incident Number) – which you could not supply. Instead, you made the feeble excuse that “the Police weren’t interested” in your suspicions, which – as any serving British Police officer or lawyer will tell you – is a ridiculous statement, since they take such assaults on or harassment of such people very seriously.

That you made such a ridiculous (and indeed contemptible) statement surely proves that your anonymous allegations are just malicious allegations.

(6) That you have publicly – and anonymously (as always) – used a known case of assault on a disabled person to further your anti-Myatt agenda is totally contemptible, and reveals your true nature. In fact, the Police should be investigating you for such contemptible behaviour and for your harassment of Myatt. Perhaps they are, and one day you’ll have to answer for your years of stalking and your malicious allegations.

MOAC Lie – ‘Anton Long ‘ is a Satanist, a nazi with a history of violence and organizes gangstalking which targets vulnerable disabled people. He organized attacks on a disabled woman suffering from cancer

Response:

(1) Gangstalking? And your evidence for such allegations are what – exactly? You have never presented any evidence at all.

(2) Targets vulnerable disabled people? And your evidence for such allegations are what – exactly? You have never presented any evidence at all.

(3) He organized attacks on a disabled woman suffering from cancer? Give dates, details, evidence. You have never presented any details or any evidence at all.

In summary, these are just more anonymously made allegations which you repeat time after time (the despicable cowardly Magian Big Lie Technique) in the hope that the sheeple, or some sheeple, will believe such accusations.

MOAC Lie – David Myatt kicked out of Combat18 after allegations that Satanists were using the organization as a front for child molestation

Response: And your source for this malicious allegations is what, exactly? You don’t give one!

No, wait – you once in another of your rabid posts about Myatt, a few years ago now (2007), gave the source as a 1997 issue of a tatty little photocopied zine produced by a nazi bonehead and called Redwatch, which tatty little photocopy blandly stated that “Satanists are dirty scum who use this bullshit as a front for child molestation…” At the time of the article, Myatt was heavily involved in Combat 18, and remained so for over a year. Indeed, according to Professor George Michael, Myatt took over the leadership of Combat 18 the following year when Charlie Sargent, the previous leader, was jailed for murder.

So, your assertion is just a lie. Myatt was never “kicked out of Combat 18” as you claim – instead, he remained a member and even took the organization over, and only left when he converted to Islam in September 1998.

That you quote some scrawling by some nazi bonehead in some photocopied smear-sheet is interesting and shows the true worth of your so-called “sources of information” about Myatt.

MOAC Lie – Reams of evidence that Myatt has lied about his non-involvement with Satanism are given in the links below..

Response: Your links lead to items where people give their personal opinions about Myatt. Quoting the opinions of others about a person is not evidence. That you believe it is, shows your desperation and lack of reasoning.

Even the notorious Searchlight article about Myatt, in April 1998 – which you love to quote from – contains just speculation and the personal opinion of the author. No evidence is ever given for any of the allegations made. For instance, the allegation that Myatt is Long; for instance, the allegation that Myatt was friends with Vik Norris. Just blandly stating that “they were friends” without producing any evidence is just using smear tactics.

I might as well claim that you – the MOAC – are friends with notorious paedophiles and rapists, and are desperate to try and keep your identity secret in case your criminal past and psychiatric history come out.

Anyways, no one in C18 took those Searchlight allegations seriously – they were laughed at, and were considered just more Zionist propaganda and disinformation. One C18 member even quoted that famous line from Hitler, that it’s an honor to find yourself smeared by your Jewish enemies, and that if you wake up in the morning and don’t find yourself smeared in the Jewish media then you hadn’t made good use of the previous day!

MOAC Lie – [Evidence ] including two recent academic studies from Scandinavia and New Zealand,

Response: They are not academic studies – they’re essays by students at Uni submitted for dissertations, and contain no evidence, only assumptions and the repetition of allegations that others have made.

By all means post the so-called *evidence* from these essays which you believe back-up your own allegations.

By the way, the *textual evidence* that Senholt claims backs up his assumption that Myatt is Long is so un-academic as to be laughable. It’s not based, for instance, on any forensic documentation analysis of contested documents, or on any accepted literary forensic technique, but instead is just Senholt’s personal opinion based on his own reading of certain texts.

That you seem to believe that it is more that just someone’s opinion, yet again shows your lack of reasoning and your reliance on dubious sources and your silly use of the appeal to authority logical fallacy.

I repeat – in over thirty years no one has ever produced any evidence for either Myatt being a Satanist, or for Myatt being Anton Long. All we have are smears, rumors, and allegations.

MOAC Lie – Interviewed by police and the RSPCA on charges of animal cruelty. Myatt’s notorious cat strangling incident.

Response: Myatt was indeed interviewed by the Police and the RSPCA in 1974, but about an allegation someone made against him. What you fail to mention is that both the Police and the RSPCA concluded that the allegation was pure journalistic invention, a smear designed to discredit Myatt, who at the time was heavily-involved in the notoriously violent neo-nazi group, the NDFM, and who had, the previous year, been released from prison after serving a prison sentence for violence.

MOAC Lie – David Myatt kicked out of another nazi group by leader Eddie Morrison,

Response: That you resort to quoting some piece written in some rag – in this case written by the notorious drunkard Morrison, whom John Tyndall described as:

“a specimen who has constantly ratted on everyone who has posed trust in him, and always in an atmosphere of shady plotting and intrigue.”

Strange that you rely on the opinions of such people. The quote, BTW, is from Tyndall’s Spearhead mag April 1983, which was titled The Wanderings and Posturings of the Pathetic Eddy Morrison.

BTW, Myatt published his own recollection of this Morrison story in both his Autobiographical Notes (first published in 2003) and his autobiography, Myngath (2010).

MOAC Lie – Myatt is a weak little coward

Response: That you make this accusation anonymously is very interesting. Here are some some verified facts about Myatt’s life, mostly taken from the Wikipedia article about Myatt:

^ acted as Jordan’s bodyguard at meetings and rallies
^ imprisoned twice for violent offenses in connection with his political activism
^ recruited and trained by the clandestine NATO stay-behind paramilitary group Column 88
^ was the founder and first leader of the National Socialist Movement of which David Copeland was a member
^ founded the neo-nazi organization the NDFM in Leeds in the 1970′s which was known for its violence
^ took over the leadership of Combat 18 in 1998, when Charlie Sargent, the previous leader, was jailed for murder
^ arrested by the elite Police unit SO12 of Scotland Yard on suspicion of conspiracy to murder
^ called – by one of the most eminent world authorities on anti-Semitism – a staunch advocate of “Jihad, suicide missions and killing Jews… and an ardent defender of bin Laden”

Now, that’s certainly an active, violent, and interesting, life – which includes several leadership positions of violent groups, and which life is redolent of his real character. Myatt has even challenged several individuals to a duel with deadly weapons, and been involved in numerous violent street fights and confrontations. He has studied and trained in the martial arts, and several of his detractors (for example, journalist Nick Ryan) have described him as amartial arts expert.

In contrast, who are you? What have you done?

It seems that you’re just jealous, and that it’s you who is the weak little coward since all you seem to do is anonymously post allegations about someone on the Internet and don’t even have the balls to post on the Islamic Awakening forum.

^^^
 

The Green Damask Room

David Myatt, from a painting by Richard Moult

 

Personal Conclusion:
Prejudice and Personal Knowing
– Myatt as Archetype


Despite his reclusive nature, and his conversion to Islam, David Myatt still often evokes a certain mystique. For instance, the following recent (September 2010 CE) quote – from an Internet forum devoted, of all things, to outré modern music – is rather typical,

David Myatt who started the actual O9A… is doing something light years away from culling and Lucifer. As someone once said: “The ONA has taught the most efficient way to curse someone. You send them a nailbomb.”

The following comments about Myatt are also typical,

” Myatt is a staunch advocate of Jihad, suicide missions and killing Jews… and also an ardent defender of bin Laden.”  Professor Robert S. Wistrich

“I genuinely like Myatt. I see him in the same mold as Manson: a prophet of the Kali Yuga; a nihilistic visionary – but with a grander vision than Manson’s, and far more ruthless, fanatical and determined to see it come to fruition.”

” Myatt may seem to have flitted from one politico-religious philosophy to another, but there is a terrible thread of continuity and rigour through his life and writings that suggests he is much more than a disingenuous provocateur. Naziism and Islamicism have served, in turn, as modalities of disruption for what remains at core an occult working to sow general chaos and division – the necessary passage of “Helter Skelter” to break down the Old Order, before the founding of the New.

So again: whose interests are served by there being a David Myatt? Is he is own man – or men – or does he belong to someone else? Or is it something else – an intelligence service perhaps? ” Jeff Wells – Nine Angles of Separation (Aug 2005)

” People still think of, talk about, and follow David Myatt… even if he was a Nazi Thug… even if he was a Muslim… Even if he denies being a Satanist publicly. There are still thousands that know Myatt, thousands that look up to him, in whose minds he is a fixture…Aquino is nobody today but people still fear Myatt. It’s been some 30-40 years, and David Myatt still reigns the Sinister.” Chloe, WSA352 (California, USA)

Perhaps it is this mystique that so infuriates the many Myatt-haters and propels them, perhaps sometime unconsciously, to rant about Myatt as they do, desirous as they seem to be (perhaps out of mundane jealousy) of trying to “cut Myatt down to size”. Perhaps their attempts to do so make them feel better about themselves.

However, and importantly, two common features among the Myatt-haters are that they don’t know Myatt personally, and so judge him based on the opinions of others, and that they never bother to read or study the vast corpus of Myatt’s works but instead concentrate on one or two things they’ve heard about Myatt, or one or two of his writings, however old, that they may have read.

Thus, they have a very one-sided, and prejudiced, view of Myatt. For instance, Gable, in all his many articles and comments about Myatt, over more than twenty years, never once mentioned Myatt’s poetry, or his Greek translations, or his Numinous Way philosophy or his published private letters. Ditto with the MOAC. Raspotnik has also never mentioned Myatt’s poetry or his Greek translations, or Myatt’s autobiography, or Myatt’s published personal letters.

In the case of Gable, he concentrated on Myatt the Nazi and Myatt the alleged Occultist. In the case of the MOAC, he concentrates on Myatt the alleged mentor of Copeland and Myatt as alleged Satanist. In the case of Raspotnik, he concentrates – to be point of obsession – on Myatt’s Islamic writings, on Myatt the Terrorist.

In all cases, something Myatt writes, or has written, or something he has alleged to have done, sparks hatred and outrage in these people – and they concentrate on such words, or such alleged deeds, to the prejudiced exclusion of everything else.

That is, they become emotionally driven by an almost pathological hatred of Myatt – so much so, that he becomes, for them, an embodiment of evil; evil made flesh. An evil genius; the most evil Nazi in Britain; a poisonous despicable person; a terrorist who doesn’t deserve to live; a vile Messiah… Such are some of their epithets.

Then, after a while of casting Myatt in the role of The Devil, something curious and psychologically interesting seems to happen to most of the Myatt-haters. It happened to Gable; it happened to the MOAC, and now it’s happened to Raspotnik.

They turn from describing Myatt as “a dangerous man”, “a fiend” (and so on) to trying to belittle him, and claiming he has “no influence”, and “is of no importance”, and “is an insignificant little man” – or, even, in the case of the MOAC is “a shambling Fagin figure wearing dirty clothes.”  Often, they also boast about their own prowess, and that they’re not “afraid of Myatt” who “is a coward”, or whatever.

Yet, despite such claims, they continue to want, even demand, the authorities to deal with Myatt, and jail him, as they continue to spew forth their vitriolic hatred of Myatt. Thus, we have the MOAC claiming that Myatt is “unimportant and uninteresting” and yet continuing to post dozens of posts about him, and continuing to set up new blogs about Myatt every time one of his anti-Myatt blogs gets shut down for posting malicious libellous allegations. Thus we have Gable and Whine claiming Myatt is “of no importance” and yet pleading for Muslims to have “nothing to do with this man.”

Thus, we have Raspotnik claiming he knows all about Myatt, and even has his address, and yet offers a reward of USD $10,000 to anyone who can tell him where Myatt is, as we have Raspotnik claiming that Myatt is “a fake” – although a fake of what is never explained – and that’s he’s “not afraid of Myatt” and will “take him one, anyday” even though he still wants the authorities to jail Myatt.

Why this change in their attitude? Why this sudden need to try, in their own minds, to belittle Myatt?

Most certainly because it comforts them, massages their ego, and gives them the illusion of importance and personal power.

So, it seems to work like this. First, they hate then demonize Myatt. But after a while that makes them feel rather insecure, uncomfortable, afraid, and powerless. So, in their fantasy, they cast themselves in the role of the brave Knight, righter-of-wrongs, who can take on and defeat The Black Knight because really their adversary is a coward, a Fagin, whom they – in their shining armor – can expose and defeat. It’s as if they’re in some Hollywood movie – or they’ve identified with some character in some video game who has embarked on a noble quest to vanquish the dastardly enemies of the good citizens of Earth…

Therefore, it does seem as if Myatt is serving a useful sinister, archetypal, purpose for such broken or immature or prejudiced or hate-filled people, just as this itself may hint at a deeper esoteric truth.

Which is that Myatt seems to have become – or is becoming – something of an archetype, sinister and otherwise. A real living archetype that certain people can identify with, and which certain other people can hate and use to indulge their fantasies and which makes them feel better about themselves. Perhaps certain other people may even find in Myatt – The Compleat Myatt, composed of Mystic Myatt (The Numinous Way, Poetry), The Mad Mage (the ONA), and The Fanatic Warrior (Reichsfolk and Jihadi Islam) – a means to achieve a certain natural balance of opposites within themselves.

Thus, it may well be that people such as Raspotnik and The MOAC are merely signs – pointers to this emerging esoteric truth of Myatt as Archetype.

Not only that, but by their unconscious actions they give life to this new, this emerging, archetype.  Myatt alive seems thus to becoming more and more influential in so many and different ways, an influence that will surely only increase when Myatt himself is dead, or disappears from mortal view.

SinisterMoon
October 2010 CE
121 Year of Fayen

 

A pdf version of the above article (235 Kb) available here.

 


 

Myatt and the Order of Nine Angles

Editorial Note: The following text is taken from the entry about the Order of Nine Angles in the Swedish version of Wikipedia [ http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_Nine_Angles ] dated October 2010 CE. In our view it presents a reasonable overview of the ONA, some errors notwithstanding.

Order of Nine Angles, eller ONA, är en satanistisk organisation grundad i Storbritannien. Namnet ska inte läsas Angels (änglar), vilket ofta missuppfattas. Organisationen är initiatorisk och hemlig i den mån att dess medlemmar och medlemsantal inte offentliggjorts. ONA framstår ofta som en av de mer kontroversiella satanistiska grupperingarna, bland annat för att organisationen förespråkar människooffer. ONA tros ha existerat sedan 60-talet medan de själva hävdar att de har rötter till urgamla traditioner flera århundraden tillbaka. Organisationen har idag dragit sig tillbaka men påstås fortfarande existera

Tro

ONA förespråkar en individualistisk, teistisk satanism enligt Vänstra handens väg med mål att göra den individuella medlemmen till en gud, eller akausalt väsen, en ny ras kallad Homo Galacticus eller Homo Galactica. Detta ska åstadkommas genom att medlemmen ständigt strävar mot självförbättring såväl fysiskt, psykiskt som andligt genom olika övningar och aktiviteter som rekommenderades i organisationens skrifter. Organisationen förespråkar individualism till en sådan grad att generell uppfattning är att organisationens skrifter inte måste följas till punkt och pricka, individens utveckling är det primära målet. Sätt för sådan utveckling kan vara psykologiska processer, till exempel ‘insiktsroller’ för att empatisera med andra människor eller ärketyper, extremt krävande fysisk träning och magiskt arbete.

Organisationen erkänner andliga entiteters existens som i regel benämns som De mörka gudarna. ONA förespråkar att Vänstra handens väg och ONA:s väg är en mörk, syndig väg som inte ska underskattas. Flera av deras skrifter tar upp att ONA inte är för gemene man utan kräver dedikerat arbete och en väldigt stark vilja. Meningen är att genom evolution och naturligt urval skapa en ny mänsklig ras och civilisation. Somliga menar att detta är metaforiskt talat, andra hävdar att ONA är väldigt allvarliga genom förespråkandet av människooffer, opfer, och vissa tror att det handlar om en andlig utveckling. Ordagrant har Anton Long, författare bakom majoriteten av ONA:s skrifter uttryckt sig positivt till människooffren som en del i det naturliga urvalet och för att stärka gruppen, vilket också är allmän tolkning av ONA:s skrifter.

Dessa och flera andra av ONA:s läror har lett till en schism mellan dem och många andra grupperingar. ONA har uttryck ett förrakt gentemot den LaVey-satanistiska Church of Satan som i sin tur har fördömt ONA:s tro på människooffer och tro i allmänhet. Samma fördömande har gjorts av Temple of Set, med vilka ONA brevväxlade under 80-talet och diskuterade bland annat detta och deras skillnader och likheter.

Detta, tillsammans med ONA:s skrifter som av satanister och ockultister brukar bedömas som seriösa och väl utarbetade, de höga kraven för initiering samt hur länge organisationen existerat har gett den ett erkännande få andra satanistiska organisationer har som enbart presenterats på Internet.

ONAs organisation och historia

Order of Nine Angles påstås ha grundats under 60-talet som en sammanslagning av tre nypaganistiska tempel kallade Camlad, Temple of the Sun och The Noctulians. Det råder oklarhet i vem som är organisationens ansikte utåt eller språkrör, majoriteten av skrifterna är författade av Anton Long, enligt somliga en pseudonym använt av David Myatt. David Myatt påstås ha tagit över grupperingen sedan ledaren flyttat till Australien och vara mannen bakom identiteten Anton Long. Författaren Nick Ryan har lagt fram argument om att David Myatt spökskriver mycket för ONA och har bland annat pekat på David Myatts nationalsocialistiska samröre och influenser i ONAS litteratur som kan anses ha vissa likheter. ONA har tillbakavisat påståendena om att Anton Long och David Myatt är samma person, även om Myatt har antagits vara en medlem då han fört organisationens talan vid flera intervjuer.

Historiskt har ONA accepterat medlemmar genom att dessa tagit kontakt med organisationen genom en postadress. Huruvida de fortfarande gör det framgår inte då ONA har valt att dra sig tillbaka efter att ha, enligt egen utsago, slutfört sin uppgift att sprida sin lära offentligt, däremot har Anton Long publicerat mängder med texter under åren och nya manuskript och texter släpps så sent som hösten 2009. Självinitiering kan också ske av individen. Detta har lett till att människor påstått sig vara medlemmar av ONA eller sympatisera med ONA, framför allt på olika diskussionsforum på Internet. I och med organisationens hemlighet och avsaknad av en officiell hemsida eller talesman varken bekräftas eller dementeras några medlemmar, varför självinitierade medlemmar brukar anses tillhöra ONA som en lära eller till och med organisationen.

ONA har sympatiserande grupperingar eller mindre grupperingar som öppet påstår sig vara ONA-inriktade i USA, Kanada, Ryssland, Australien, Nya Zeeland samt flera länder i Europa. Man pratar om Nexions och sinister tribes, varav Temple of THEM och WSA 352 tillhör kanske de mest erkända av ONA själva.

Gradering

Inom organisationen existerar flera grader, varje grad avslutas med en rit som för utövaren till nästa grad.

  • Neophyte – Ämnar att ge individen förståelse för läran och utvecklas psykologiskt och andligt. Detta är uppdelat i fyra steg: (1) Skaffa sig en del specificerade ONA-skrifter, (2) Genomgå en hemlig ritual (jakt), (3) Genomföra initieringsritualen, alternativt självinitieringsritualen samt (4) förstå och lära sig spela The Star Game / Stjärnspelet, ett egenutvecklat spel av ONA med psykologiska, astrologiska och andliga undertoner.
  • Initiate – När individen uppnått denna grad påbörjas det magiska arbetet som består av sju steg: (1) Påbörja hermetiskt magiskt arbete och utvecklas inom detta enligt ONA:s Sjufaldiga system (Septenary system), att följa upp detta arbete i en magi-dagbok samt studera och använda The Sinister Tarot, (2) Påbörja hermetiskt arbete för ett specifikt mål eller önskan, (3) Sätta ett väldigt krävande fysiskt mål, som exempel nämns minimum att gå drygt fem mil på mindre än sju timmar i terräng, (4) Söka upp och välja ut en person att använda som magisk medarbetare och sexpartner och introducera denne till satanism (ONA), initiera denne och genomgå magiskt arbete med denne, (5) få tag på och studera fler specificerade ONA-skrifter, (6) Ta sig an en Insiktsroll, en form av bedragande rollspel där initiaten tar till sig en ärketyp, natur, personlighet eller yrkeskategori som är närmast sin motsatta för att utvecklas, samt (7) Genomgå graderingsritual för Extern Adept.
  • Extern adept – Som Extern adept fortsätter man det magiska arbetet och vidgandet av läran för andra: (1) Organisera och upprätta ett magiskt tempel och/eller en satanistisk grupp sex till åtta månader, rekrytera medlemmar och initiera dem i gruppen samt regelbunder hålla ritualer, (2) Träna och genomföra ännu högre fysiska mål, även här nämns som minimiexmpel drygt fem mil i terräng under sju timmar, fast med ryggsäck om cirka femton kilo, (3) Genomgå gradens hemliga uppgift, (4) Studera aeonisk lära och magi enligt ONA och praktisera denna, (4) Studera och om möjligt praktisera esoteriskt mässande, (5) Studera de esoteriska traditionerna av traditionell satanism (enligt ONA) och lära ut dessa till templets/gruppens medlemmar, samt (8) Genomgå graderingsritualen för Intern Adept.
  • Intern adept – Graden Intern adept lämnar medlemmen till att fullfölja sitt öde, något den förväntas veta eller komma underfund med vid denna grad. Processen beskrivs som att ta åratal och ska leda till total självinsikt. Medlemmen ska utöka sin kunskapa och vara väl lärd inom de olika magiska arbetena.
  • Mästare/Mästarinna – Som mästare eller mästarinna förväntas medlemmen ta ett större ansvar för organisationen eller gruppen, bland annat genom: (1) Att guida passande individer till den Sjufaldiga vägen, (2) Praktisera aeonisk magi för att främja den mörka vägen, (3) Självständigt arbeta och skapa nya sätt för att öka medveten förståelse för, och främja möjligheten för akausala/mörka makter. Medlemmen förväntas också använda sitt magiska arbete, främst inom aeonisk magi, för att förändra och påverka samhället. Denna grad tar minst sju år.

Efter mästare/mästarinna kommer graden Grand Master/Grand Mistress, enligt ONA:s skrifter uppnår bara en eller två individer per århundrade denna gradering, varför den inte beskrivs i deras offentliga texter så ingående. I vissa skrifter refereras det också till ytterligare en gradering kallad Odödlig (Immortal), spekulationer finns som menar att detta är statusen som gud, målet med läran.

Skrifter

Bland ONA:s skrifter tillhör de mest kända The Black Book of Satan (ej att förväxla med LaVey-satanismens The Satanic Bible) och NAOS. En lång rad skrifter har författats av ONA och majoriteten av dem av Anton Long. En del skönlitterära verk som ska läsas som både skönlitterära, inspirerande och magiska, har också skrivits, vid namn The Deofel Quartet.


 

David Myatt, Islam, Occultism, and The Numinous Way


David Myatt, from a painting by Richard Moult

David Myatt, from a painting by Richard Moult


Myatt is a living, subversive, prism, transforming the dull monochrome light of ordinary life into a spectrum of vibrant colours that can inspire.

Over the past year, a multitude of rumours have been spread – mostly via the medium of the Internet – about Myatt leaving Islam, and returning to the mystical philosophy of The Numinous Way which he has developed over a period of around ten years.

Furthermore, not only have several new articles – allegedly by Myatt himself – been circulated and appeared on the Internet, with titles such as Introduction to the Ontology of Being – in which the author explains the philosophy of The Numinous Way – but also articles, by both Myatt fans and Myatt detractors, have been published, commenting on this alleged return and this seeming rejection, by Myatt, of Islam.

As for Myatt himself, his most recent authenticated pronouncements have included a post, some weeks ago (September 2010 CE) on his own Islamist weblog, in which he publicly re-affirmed he was a Muslim, and his autobiography, Myngath (published July 2010 CE) indicating there has not been such a renunciation of Islam, but only some doubts stemming from a personal tragedy.

But one has to ask the question – Does all or any of this really matter, to us? If so, why? Just what are such perceptions of Myatt trying to tell us about him, and possibly more importantly, about ourselves as we use such outward things as a measure of our judgement?


Myatt and The Order of Nine Angles

Most importantly, what all commentators on the subject of Myatt’s alleged, assumed, or even real, pronouncements regarding “leaving Islam” have either not noticed or not commented upon, for some reason, is that Myatt’s alter ego, Anton Long [1] has never, ever, in the past forty years made any pronouncements or announcements regarding having rejected The Sinister Way or the Order of Nine Angles (ONA).

That is, Anton Long – for the past forty or more years – has remained steadfastly loyal to The Sinister Way and the ONA, and has continued to write, to circulate and to have published, ONA material and documents.

This fact alone may well point those who seem to be confused by Myatt’s many apparent “changes of direction” in the right direction, and allay both their suspicions and doubts regarding Myatt and what many mundanes and Magians have described as Myatt’s psychological instability, based, as this silly opinion of theirs is, on their own presumption that he has flitted from one ideology to another, and from one religion to another, over a period of several decades.

In my opinion, this one fact, this undeniable truth, certainly seems to points us toward the reality that Anton Long is, or represents, the real Myatt – and that the ONA, with its sinister and long-term goals and aims [2], represents the real goals and aims of Myatt himself.

This would mean that all Myatt’s various, diverse, involvements – political, religious, and otherwise – should be seen in this light, as a means to an end. This end is a new type of (sinister) society, and a new type of human being.

As one commentator about Myatt wrote:

Myatt’s primary aim, throughout his entire adult life, has been to find, develope and use means to bring about his vision of a Galactic Imperium. All his various endeavors and involvements – from National Socialism, to the ONA, to his philosophy of The Numinous Way, to his involvement with radical Islam – are all part of this.

They are all means to explain, to propagate, to try and implement – through, for example, destabilizing the status quo, confronting the Magian, and agitating for revolution – his Vindex mythos and this vision of a Galactic Imperium. He has been almost fanatically single-minded in his pursuit of this vision, and, at times, quite ruthless. He has also been exceptionally pragmatic – using whatever means, whatever ideology, whatever tactics, that might help him undermine and confront what he calls “the tyranny of the Magian manifest in the dishonourable Amerikan empire of Homo Hubris.”

These tactics have included racist violence, racist and Islamic terrorism, Nazi politics, and using the ONA as a means of subversion and radical change. Myatt has also been consistent, for over four decades, in upholding and propagating the principle of personal honor, which he wove into his NS writings, which he made one of the foundations of his philosophy of The Numinous Way, and which he made the basis for both the clans of Vindex and the tribes of the ONA. JR Wright:  The Numinous Dark – Myatt and the Vindex Mythos

My own view is that this Galactic Imperium of Myatt’s is simply the outward and practical form of the ONA’s sinister New Aeon, where what the ONA call the Law of The Sinister-Numen, and new tribes, hold sway, having displaced and destroyed the old ways of nation and of States.

Thus, even Myatt’s mystical, apolitical Numinous Way could well be – and most probably is – a means, a tactic. One more way in which people can reject The System, the ways of The Old Order, the Old Aeon, and create for themselves what amounts to a new and ultimately subversive way of living, detached from The State, and certainly detached from the Magian New World Order and its tyrannical abstractions.


Myatt and National Socialism

Another fact which has seemingly been overlooked in the past ten years of so since Myatt’s conversion to Islam, is that he has never renounced, publicly, his support for and praise of Adolf Hitler and Hitler’s loyal German supporters.

Furthermore, Myatt has, several times, and as a Muslim – and most recently last year (2009 CE) – continued to express his admiration for Hitler and the Third Reich.

Consider, for example, the following quotes (with my emphasis), from Myatt.

” I have never, in my heart and mind, renounced my belief in Adolf Hitler as a good man, an honourable man, who… strove to create a just and noble society, and who was destroyed by the ignoble machinations of those opposed to what is good and who have spread dishonourable lies about him, his followers and his Cause. Thus it is that I find I cannot denounce this noble man and those who fought and died for the cause he upheld, as I cannot and will not denounce those who today honourably (and I stress honourably) continue the struggle in his name and who respect the Way of Life which is Al-Islam and who thus see we who are Muslims as allies in the fight against our common enemy. Thus it is that I continued for several years, after my reversion, with Reichsfolk – an honourable organization striving to presence something of the Numen I believe was manifest in National-Socialist Germany and in and through the life of Adolf Hitler.”    Autobiographical Notes, Part 2, dated 1422 AH

” The currently unpopular and often censored truth of our times is that National-Socialist Germany – what it had evolved to be by the beginning of The First Zionist War – was a modern mostly unconscious expression of the numinous, honourable, warrior ethos, and stood in complete and stark contrast to the materialism, the hubris, of the Magian and their allies and servants in the West, represented by the arrogant, profane, White Hordes of Homo Hubris. Furthermore, had NS Germany not been defeated by The White Hordes of Homo Hubris and by the machinations of the Magian, there is almost no doubt that it would have evolved further to become the genesis of a new numinous resurgence, and restored to the West, and other lands, that connexion to the numinous which centuries of plunder, exploitation, greed, abstractions, and dishonourable war had severed…”  Mythos of Vindex, Chapter 2 (The Ethos of Vindex In Historical Context), undated, but c. 2009 CE

” The simple reality is that the Zionists and the Amerikans and their allies are lying, deceitful, hypocritical, dishonourable bullies, while the Mujahideen – as were the vast majority of the soldiers of the Third Reich – are honourable warriors fighting for a just, anti-Zionist, cause…

There certainly were many who fought and who died for Adolf Hitler, and for their fatherland, who were striving to act in an honourable way, and indeed many – such as Waffen-SS General Leon Degrelle, Hans Ulrich Rudel and Major-General Otto Ernst Remer – who not only did act honourably, but who embodied the true, non-racist, spirit of Hitler’s National-Socialism…

I still respect genuine National-Socialists – of whom there are very few, today – as I do understand how genuine National-Socialism can create a somewhat more noble society than exists in any Western land today, with such a society benefiting not only the peoples of the West but also we who are Muslim, for such societies, as mentioned in the above quote of mine, would aid us in our war against world Zionism and our battles against the type of dishonourable arrogant bully so evident in the Amerika of today.”    Islam, National-Socialism, and Honour, dated 1430 AH

These truths – this continuing respect by Myatt for Hitler and genuine (honourable, ethical) National Socialists – may well give us another clue as to Myatt’s real motivates, goals and aims.

This clue is his life-long, at times fanatical, commitment to fighting what he, and the ONA, euphemistically call the Magian, and the Magian ethos [3].

In one of his earliest, published writings – Vindex: The Destiny of the West – published in 1984 CE (and written c. 1976 CE) Myatt analyses what he called the Magian distortion of The West, by which he meant the influence and the power of the Zionists.

It is no coincidence that Myatt – in both his NS days and as a Muslim – called and calls The Second World War the First Zionist War, and that this commitment to fighting the Magian, and the Magian ethos, is also an integral part of the mythos and philosophy of the ONA.

Indeed, this anti-Magian aspect of the ONA led one academic to write that one of distinguishing characteristics of the ONA is that it is a non-Semitic tradition, and purposely avoids any Jewish and Nazarene influence. [4]

Myatt and Islam

It is my view that Myatt has engaged with Islam, and is still engaged with Islam – despite reports to the contrary – for three principle reasons.

The first reason is that he regards Islam – or rather, the radical Islam of the Jihadists – as the only practical and effective means of currently fighting what he calls the dishonour and tyranny of the New World Order, led by America and its Zionist ally.

Consider, for example, the following, taken from a supplication (prayer, or dua) said by Al-Qaeda and their supporters, and also by many of the Taliban:

اللهُمَّ أَحْصِهِمْ عَدَداً، وَاقْتُلْهُمْ بَدَداً، وَلا تُغَادِرْ مِنْهُمْ أَحَداً، وَاجْعَلْهُمْ

عِبْرَةً لأَمْثَالِهِمْ مِنَ اليَهُودِ وَالنَّصَارى وَالمُشْرِكِينَ، أَذِلَّةً صَاغِرِينَ.

Allah! We ask that you kill them together, and alone – so that not a single one remains – humiliating and debasing them, making them thus an example of their kind for all Yahud, Nasara, and Mushriks…

Myatt – with his lifelong commitment to fighting what he calls “the perfidy and dishonour of the Zionists and their lackeys…” – is surely at home here. These people are like him; they have the same aims – a desire to defeat their Zionist enemies, and to establish new societies led by warriors and which train warriors.

Is it therefore surprising that we apparently see Myatt again and again returning to Islam, to his brothers-in-arms? To those who, today, are the only ones fighting his enemies in a practical way?

The second reason – obvious from his Islamic writings – is that he regards what he calls the authentic Islam of Ahlus Sunnah wa Jamaah as a practical manifestation of the numinous, in the modern world, having taken over this mantle, of being a practical manifestation, from a failed German National Socialism [5].

The third reason, and possibly the most important one, at this precise moment in time, is that he is a man of honour. Thus, he admits that his Shahadah – the testimony of faith in Islam given in a Mosque in front of two Muslim witnesses – was an oath of loyalty:

” I took an oath of loyalty, on my honour, to Allah Subhanahu wa Ta’ala and His Messenger, Muhammad (salla Allahu ‘alayhi wa sallam) and this is a binding, life-long oath… ” Islam, Honour and Duty

He also hints, in several of his writings and letters, that he has given bay’ah – a personal pledge of loyalty – to a living person, a Muslim, and while we may speculate as to who this person is, what seems to matter for Myatt is the binding nature of such an oath.

Hence it is not, or would not be for him, a simple matter of “just leaving Islam” – but instead it would be a matter of betraying such oaths, and thus betraying himself, his honour. Thus, even if, for the sake of argument, we assume that Myatt may have in recent months – or even last year, also – wanted to immerse himself totally in his own Numinous Way, at the expense of Islam, he may well have, ultimately, had no choice in the matter, given this bay’ah, and given someone he respected possibly reminding him of his honourable duty.

Is it therefore surprising that we find – or we seem to find – him placing Islam again [6] at the forefront of his life? Doing his honourable duty? Is it therefore surprising that he might – despite words in such articles as A Return To My Beginning – have decided to do continue supporting a certain war?

A similitude here might be of a man of honour who has sworn to be loyal to the leader of a certain clan, and who for years has done his honourable duty, and helped and protected the clan against its rivals, and which rivals have killed many of his friends. Gradually, he falls in love with a woman who offers him a very different way of life, which life he, personally likes, and enjoys, and inwardly desires to retire to. But the war against his clan and his chief continue. What is he to do? Abandon them, and live as his own heart desires? Would that not be a betrayal of them, especially during their time of need?

Those who have no sense of honour, no sense of duty, no sense of loyalty, will naturally see no problem here.

Another, perhaps more mundane, similitude might be of a man with duties and honourable obligations to his wife and family. He may have ceased to love his wife in the manner he once did, and may even have fallen in love with another woman. He may even no longer even like the daily toil he does by which he provides for his wife and family. Does he just simply do what he in his heart desires to do – go off with his lover and begin a new life? Or is he still bound, by duty, honour and loyalty, to do what is best for his wife – and especially for his still growing, young, family?

The Laughing Trickster

Another view, prevalent among some who have studied the life and times of Myatt, is that all the many and different effusions which Myatt issues or has issued in the past four or so years about “returning to his Numinous Way” are just designed to test and to confuse.

To test our mundaneness and our own honour, and to confuse his enemies and detractors, among whom are, naturally, various government Intelligence agencies and Police forces who take a decidedly humourless view of subversive individuals, such as Myatt, writing, inciting and supporting “terrorism”, and trying to subvert the States and nations of the Western world.

According to this view, Myatt is playing games, and is akin to a Laughing Trickster.

The Complex Man

The fundamental mistake that many or most people make, in respect of assessing or judging Myatt, is that they desire or are determined to or need to assign just one label to him. That is, and for them, Myatt has to be – or can only be – either a nazi, or a Muslim, or a Satanist, or a mystic following a mystic philosophy such as The Numinous Way. Or some kind of trickster, playing some esoteric game of his own, and laughing at us all as we flounder about striving to understand.

It never seems to occur to the majority of these people – these mundanes or Magians – that such a labelling is so Old Aeon, so passée; and an example of pure prejudice, of an inability to transcend beyond the mundanity of labels and causal categories.

As a young, Californian-based, female fan of Myatt recently commented,

” I would say that all three aspects of DM co-exist and are co-real at the same time…. I think that DM – and any living intelligent person for that matter – is too fluid, too dynamic, too complex in mind, to be boxed up inside one single well defined ‘area’. I would say that DM… is therefore not a set of boxes and labels where one cubby box is Islam, the other is ONA and so on; but that he is more like a spectrum. This spectrum consisting of many different ideas and concepts that overlap each other in certain areas…….”

Hence, many ordinary people – mundanes or Magians – really do get quite confused when someone such as Myatt appears to be all these things at once, or seems to move easily, effortlessly, from one to another of them, and then back again.

Are such things, then as the ONA, Islam, The Numinous Way, just roles, for Myatt? Just outward forms assumed for some practical purpose or another? If so, then who, or what, is the real Myatt? Or, indeed, is there – or can there be, or should there be – such a person?

The simplest explanation – which many can readily accept, and have accepted – is that they are roles, played or assumed by the sinister Magus, Anton Long. Thus, Anton Long – the evil genius behind the subversive and sinister ONA – is the real Myatt.

Another, somewhat less simple, explanation, is that Myatt has been on a voyage of both inner and outer discovery – a Faustian, or Promethean, quest, for wisdom. Here is an apt quote, from a young female fan of Myatt’s, based in England:

[Myatt is] a complex man, and one who it’s impossible to understand without considered and prolonged study. Reading wikipedia will only obfuscate, given that the way information is structured and determined appropriate there is mutually exclusive with any expression which provides understanding of his character. The Wikipedia article simply isn’t useful in forming any intelligent opinion of him.

He would say that you are being dishonourable by passing a superficial-causal judgement without taking the time to either meet and discuss matters with him or, at least, seriously attempt to understand things from his perspective before making an empathetic judgement, and not reactively judging in accordance with emotive-abstract labels.

At least read his poetry if you’re going to post about him (not any points he’s made or his Philosophy on their own merits). That’s where you can see the man as he is, and come to some limited appreciation of the kinds of things that motivate his actions; instead of seeing him as he plays at being for the sake of understanding. (Yes, understanding– how dedicated would a person have to be that they would be prepared to immerse themselves in violent subcultures such as radical Islam for the purpose of understanding that which is heretical from the inside? You’d have to want understanding more than anything else. You’d have to be a martyr to wisdom, doing that in the knowledge that you’d forever be instantly rejected upon the basis of some label you’d voluntarily taken on. Bear in mind that he’s alternated between the Numinous Way, radical Islamism and other positions for years now. That’s not the behavior of a self-identified ideologue or true believer. )

My own view, however, is that Myatt is or has been – and can be again and again – the real essence which is hidden, or which has been hidden, behind such terms as mystic, nazi, satanist, Muslim, Trickster, and that such assigned terms, such labels, obscure or hinder us from appreciating, that essence. Furthermore, that this essence is not as different, not as divergent, as such terms and labels suggest or lead us to believe. Instead, they are – in their own very essence – but different emanations of the same thing, a colourful spectrum rather than one single, well-defined, colour. In this sense, Myatt is a living, subversive, prism, transforming the dull monochrome light of ordinary life into a spectrum of vibrant colours that can inspire us, if such vibrant colours resonant with us – if we ourselves are touched by them.

What sometimes confuses us about David Myatt – what confuses, confounds or even irks and angers the Magians and mundanes – is that he does not play by their rules. He does not accept their ethos, their worldview, but has conspired to construct his own – which is not his ethical, revised, Reichsfolk type National Socialism, not his “authentic Islam” of Muslim warriors, not the mysticism of his Numinous Way, and not even the “satanism” of his Order of Nine Angles.

Instead, it is the simple aspiration to change one’s self by direct practical experience; to not be afraid to experience diversity in one’s way of living; to have the capacity to be inspired by – for decades – a numinous, a grand, vision; to possess the ability to perceive, feel, to know, people, Nature, the world, the Cosmos, in their living essence, shorn, divested of labels, terms, categories, assumptions and presumptions; and, finally, it is the ability, the desire, to allow yourself to be changed, transmuted, transformed, by all these things until you finally emerge as a unique individual, a new type of human being, beyond all labels, terms, and categories which others may assign to you or may need to assign to you because you perplex, astound, annoy them and often make them feel quite uncomfortable.


The Myattian Changeling

Thus, such outward changes we might witness, or which we might assume are real, in the person called Myatt – and the few others like him – are not important. They are just signs; waymarkers; bearings taken on the path to Somewhere.

But there is more, and it is this “more” which has tended to make Myatt something of an enigma even to those of us who feel we “know” him and “understand” him and his peregrinations. For despite all the former – or perhaps it is because of all those things – Myatt is still engaged in combat with his life-long enemies. He is still fighting in a real war; he is still a warrior.

It is this, this dedication to fighting such a war, which is the second piece of evidence we need in order to really understand Myatt, and to understand why – even though he is the author of recent poems such as Dark Clouds of Thunder – he has returned to publicly supporting Islam and especially those Muslims who are fighting, in a practical manner, his old and life-long enemies, the Magian, and their Magian ethos.

But it does not – in my view – matter what our own, possibly changing, perception of the perplexing Myatt is, as it most certainly does not matter what the perception the mundanes have of him. What matters are two things.

What he does, on the practical level, to support and to aid his never changed and never changing aims; and what he leaves behind, or creates, which others – such as ourselves – may find useful, in our own, individual, quest, and also perhaps in our own combat against the Magian and their perfidious, anti-evolutionary, ethos, be this combat of ours practical, esoteric, or whatever.

Certainly, Myatt has given us many things, to use – from the sinister, subversive, ONA; to the ethical National Socialism of Reichsfolk; to The Numinous Way; to his Vindex mythos; to the real-life passionate, sensitive, Nature-loving wanderer we find in his poetry and private letters. Some may even find his Islamist writings of some use or of some benefit, as incitement, perhaps, to practical sinister subversion.

Ultimately, though, it is as an example of a changing changeling that we should view him – a traveller, an explorer, whose simple numinous vision may inspire us also.

As Myatt’s friend, the artist and composer Richard Moult wrote, in a review of Myatt’s autobiography, Myngath:

” A man so contradictory and perplexing and enraging to outsiders, whose life has been and is an opportunity to be revelled in and not to be wasted. This work presents aspects of that life (and there is much left unwritten) and is a reminder to all of us who can all too easily lose ourselves in the illusory mundane existence of this present age. Myatt is a traveller in all senses, exploring the uncharted worlds within, around and without us. Perhaps he will one day be understood as the human voyager he is: an example of one nexion of life seeking to understand itself within the infinite cold spaces of the cosmos.”

Richard Stirling
Shropshire
2010 CE (Second Edition)


Footnotes

[1] I am here making the very plausible, and now generally accepted assumption (at least among the Occult cognoscenti) that Anton Long is Myatt’s pseudonym. Myatt himself continues to deny being Anton Long.

[2] From the ONA’s guide to its philosophy:

We see the breakdown, destruction, and the replacement of all existing (and mundane) societies  – by our new progressive societies based on our new warrior tribes – as a necessary prelude to this Galactic aim of ours.Thus, the immediate and intermediate aims of our sinister Way of Life are:

(1) to use our Dark Tradition to create sinister Adepts and, over a long period of causal Time, aid and enhance and create that new, more evolved, human species of which genuine Sinister Adepts may be considered to be the phenotype;

(2) to use the sinister dialectic (and thus Aeonic Magick and genuine Sinister Arts) to aid and enhance and make possible entirely new types of societies for human beings, with these new societies being based on new tribes and a tribal way of living where the only law is that of our Dark Warriors, which is the Law of The Sinister-Numen (see Appendix 1);

(3) to aid, encourage, and bring about – by both practical and esoteric means (such as subversion, revolution, and Dark Sorcery) – the breakdown and the downfall of existing societies, and thus to replace the tyranny of nations and States, and their impersonal governments, by our new tribal societies and our Law of the Sinister-Numen.

[3] Used by Myatt and the ONA, the term Magian refers to the materialism and the abstractions manufactured principally by Yahud, or “the Zionists”, and outwardly manifest in what Myatt, and others, call The New World Order, or the new Amerikan Empire.

According to Myatt, this new Empire is run by, or is under the influence of, Zionists, and four of its distinguishing features – of its Magian ethos – are abstract law (in contradistinction to Myatt’s law of personal honour); democracy (in contradistinction to the leadership principle of clan chiefs); egotistical materialism (in contrast to what Myatt calls the Way of the Warrior); and capitalism, the principle of debt, usury, and mechanistic work in contradistinction to a more numinous, agrarian, artisan, way of life and of working). [Source: Myatt – The Mythos of Vindex, Part Five: Toward the Galactic Imperium.]

However, it seems to me that in recent years the term Magian has acquired a more general meaning among aficionados of the ONA, and now refers to such abstractions as the modern nation-State and, indeed, anything and everything that is of The Old Order, and thus is tied to the causal world-view of the mundanes.

[4] Senholt, Jacob C: Political Esotericism & the Convergence of Radical Islam, Satanism and National Socialism in the Order of the Nine Angles. Norwegian University of Science and Technology, Conference: Satanism in the Modern World, November 2009

[5] This seems obvious when one reads Myatt’s Mythos of Vindex followed by reading some of his recent Islamic works, such as his rather neglected Replies Regarding Islam, and his Islam, National-Socialism, and Honour.

[6] I refer to the re-appearance of Myatt’s Islamist web-sites, as of July 2010 CE – after another apparent hiatus, from whatever cause.

One possible explanation of such a hiatus are the rumours that Myatt – before and during this time and travelling under a false name – visited America in order to set up clandestine ONA cells (or nexions, as the ONA calls them) dedicated to subversive activities. This might conceivably explain why a stridently anti-Muslim opponent of Myatt – describing Myatt as a terrorist – in August 2010 CE offered a USD $10,000 reward for information about Myatt’s whereabouts.

As to the nature of these subversive activities, we can only speculate, but it does seem to me more than just coincidence that recent writings by some ONA people resident in America have been permeated by attacks on the Magian ethos; have approvingly mentioned radical Islam as a modern heresy worthy of being adopted to subvert society; quoted from Myatt’s Islamist writings; and reaffirmed the ONA’s controversial stance that undertaking human culling is a duty incumbent upon every ONA member.

This radical subversive stance is evident, for instance, in the latest (September 2010 CE) edition of the ONA’s in-house journal, Fenrir, published in America – whose articles include a Black Mass of Jihad, the stated heretical intent of which is to “defy the Jewish controlled governments of the world and their interests”.  Interestingly, the text – although probably inspired by Myatt as Muslim – clearly reveals it was not written by Myatt. For instance, the style is most certainly not that of Myatt; Myatt has always, studiously and perhaps pedantically correct from an Islamist point of view, always avoided using the word Israel, preferring instead the ponderous phrase, “the Zionist entity that occupies Filistine,”; and he uses the words Zionists and Yahud and never the word Jews.

Furthermore, one of the main ONA blogs – arguably the most popular – run by two young women resident in California, even announced the publication of this edition of Fenrir with the blurb, ” Happy September 11th! This issue has a current interview with Anton Long. It also features some great articles topical to 9/11…


Дэвид Мьятт: Ислам и теория расовой борьбы

Дэвид Вулстон Мьятт (родился в 1950 г.) – британский общественный деятель, переводчик, писатель. С 1967 г. участвовал в британском неонацистском движении. Основатель и лидер влиятельнейшей британской ультранацистской фирмы “Combat 18”, известной своей тактикой городской террористической герильи, крёстный отец мирового хулиганс-движения, ветеран “Арийских Наций”. С момента основания возглавлял Британское Национал-Социалистическое Движение (NSM), был теоретиком арийской расовой войны (RaHoWa).

В конце 1960-х создал оккультный “Орден Девяти Углов” (“The Order of Nine Angles”, ONA), тайное ультраправое герметическое общество т.н. “традиционного сатанизма”, пора расцвета которого пришлась на 1980-1990-е гг. Мьятт прошёл тернистый путь духовных поисков, погружаясь в разное время в даосизм, буддизм, паганизм и христианство (принял монашеское послушание). В те годы Мьятт также изучал и переводил работы древнегреческих поэтов и драматургов Софокла, Эсхила, Гомера, Сапфо.

В 1998 г. Дэвид принял Ислам, взяв духовное имя Абдульазиз ибн Мьятт. А за год до того выпустил три книги: “Практическое руководство к Арийской Революции”, “Крестоносная война против Ислама” и “Сионистское стремление к мировому господству”. С момента обращения он не переставая работает на поприще сближения Новой Правой и протестных мусульманских сил: британских неонацистов и новообращённых радикальных мусульман. Сегодня он является деятелем международного антисионистского движения, развивает и пропагандирует теорию Джихада и террористической практики асассинов, “асассинации”.

Comment: Ислам, национализм, расизм – лишь средства для достижения Цели.

http://r-o-x-a-n-a.livejournal.com/145188.html

WSA352 on David Myatt and the ONA

David Myatt, Feb 1993, Spain

David Myatt, Feb 1993, Spain

The link below is to a pdf file which contains four articles about David Myatt and the Order of Nine Angles written by Kayla and Chloe of WSA352.

WSA352  is a Progressive Nexion/Temple of the Order of Nine Angles, based in the USA. It is more formally known as the White Star Acception.

WSA on David Myatt (pdf)

The articles were first published on the WSA352 blog at:

http://onanxs.wordpress.com